Does My Girlfriend Have Borderline Personality Disorder ?

by on July 15, 2010

 

Can a 40 year old man date 20 year old woman 231x300 Does My Girlfriend Have Borderline Personality Disorder ? Does my girlfriend have borderline personality disorder ? Dear BPD Stories tell@bpdsecrets.com I like the way your website is set up, and I look forward to coming back and hearing other people's stories about borderline personality disorder. I myself do not have borderline personality disorder but I wanted to share my experience about my ex-girlfriend who was later diagnosed to have borderline personality disorder. About six months into my relationship with my hacks I found myself asking questions like “does my girlfriend have borderline personality disorder?” Unfortunately, every time we had a massive fight and she did horrible things to me, the things that she did were so bad in her actions were so intense that it was like I didn't believe they occurred the next day. It was almost like living in the movie Groundhog Day, I just kept waking up thinking it was a bad dream and then moments later realizing that the living hell was starting over and over again. If there are any other guys out there that may come across this site and are asking themselves right now “does my girlfriend have borderline personality disorder” I hope you find this site useful and get the help they need before they end up in an abusive relationship that lasts for years and takes another two years of hard work to truly get out of. (That's right, breaking up with somebody with borderline personality disorder is not as easy as flipping a switch. They will stalk you and make your life a living hell!) Here are some questions that I think guys who are asking the question does Michael friend have borderline personality disorder should ask themselves. In my opinion if you answer yes to more than a few of these you should probably begin the process of running for the hills and leaving the card of a qualified BPD therapist on the night stand behind you.

  • Soon after meeting your girlfriend did she begin talking badly about her ex-boyfriend or ex-husband?
  • Soon after meeting your girlfriend did she confide in you stories of abuse?
  • Did she say she was raped?
  • Does your girlfriend not get along with her parents?
  • Does your girlfriend say her parents abused her?
  • Does your girlfriend have a difficult time maintaining friendships?
  • Does it feel like you were the only solid relationship in her life right now?
  • Did she sleep with you soon after meeting her?
  • She willing to try just about anything sexually?
  • Does she seem to have secrets?
  • Do old friends pop out of the woodwork that you didn't even know existed?
  • Is she in financial trouble? Are you sure?
  • Has she ever been in financial trouble?
  • Does she have a difficult time keeping jobs?
  • Did she give you lavish gifts soon after meeting her?
  • She's pressuring you to move the relationship forward into engagement or marriage?
  • Does her life seemed to be an unbelievable story where the deck has been stacked against her and she has been the victim of the wrongdoings of others?
  • When you have fights to she yell and scream very easily.
  • When you try to leave during the fight does she hold you back and keep you from leaving.
  • Does she seem to get more upset if you won't yell back at her?
  • Does she threaten to commit suicide?
  • When she meets your friends for the first time does she come off as “the perfect girlfriend”
  • Is she great in public but as soon as the parties over all hell breaks loose?
  • Does she abuse alcohol?
  • Does she abuse drugs?
  • The she currently live with you or is trying to move in with you?

  If you've answered yes to several of these questions these are some serious red flags in answering yes to the overall question “does my girlfriend have borderline personality disorder” is there any other guys out there that are currently wondering does my girlfriend have borderline personality disorder or have been through a horrible relationship with a girlfriend that did have borderline personality disorder I hope my story gets posted on the site and I get to read your comments…. – Tony

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Godfrey de Zilla January 20, 2011 at 10:40 am

This could be a diagnostic test.

Dido January 26, 2011 at 11:59 pm

It’s rather disturbing that many of the people on this site seem to confuse or even conflate symptoms with diagnoses.

If I go to my doctor and say that I have been feeling nauseous and vomiting for a couple of days, they could potentially conclude either that I have a gastric bug or that I’m pregnant. Two very different diagnoses, from a single set of symptoms. Of course, the diagnosis must be made in conjunction with a closer look at the context of the symptoms e.g. what other symptoms present themselves? Is it plausible that I might be pregnant? So the actual diagnosis is based on, ultimately, identification of the bug that’s afflicting me, or a positive pregnancy test.
 
Going back to first principles (something that many on this site really have lost sight of), a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder (as per the DSM-IV, to take one example) is based on at least 5 of the following characteristics being exhibited by an individual, simultaneously and continuously over a significant period of time (i.e. over a year), and in a variety of contexts (not just in a single situation or relationship):
1.      Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
2.      A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3.      Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4.      Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
5.      Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
6.      Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7.      Chronic feelings of emptiness
8.      Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9.      Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms
Aside from threats of suicide, the above questionnaire does not test for any of the above.
Frequently on this site, people (usually men) make reference to their partner’s behaviour without explaining any context for that behaviour. People do not act, think or feel in a vacuum. There is always cause and effect, even if you believe a person to be genuinely mentally ill (in which case the cause may be more convoluted or less intuitive than what you’re used to, but there’s always still a root cause for any behaviour). In many of the situations, what other factors are at play? Is the person under particular stress at the time, due to family problems perhaps, or work-related stress? Are they depressed? What factors might be affecting their depression? Is the relationship itself perhaps a cause of this stress? What impact does the partner’s action or behaviour have on the person? Many of the men on this site portray themselves as innocent, uncomprehending victims. It’s hard not to believe that much is not being told about the true circumstances.
Finally – the implication that a woman who is sexually uninhibited must have something seriously wrong with her is offensive to the point of being misogynistic.

Godfrey de Zilla February 15, 2011 at 9:18 am

Dido,
Rather than relying on cutting and pasting from the Wikipedia why not read one of the many excellent books on the disorder like
"The Borderline Personality Disorder Survival Guide by Alex Chapman and Kim Gratz"
Regards
Godfrey
 
 
 
 
The Borderline Personality Disorder Survival Guide: Everything You Need to Know About Living with BPD by Alex Chapman and Kim Gratz

Godfrey de Zilla February 18, 2011 at 7:49 am

On the topic of cause and effect that Dido mentions there is a rather good paragraph in "Emotional Intelligence" by Daniel Goleman which goes to heart of why a BPD sufferer can be driven to rages, tantrums other extremes of behaviour which simply would happen to a non-sufferer in the same circumstances.
",,,there is a paradoxical result from intense, sustained emotional abuse, including cruel, sadicstic threats, humuiliations, and plain meaness. Children who endure such auise can become hyperalert to the emotions of those around them, in what amounts to a post-traumatic vigilance to cues that have signaled a threat. Such as obsessive preoccupation with the feelings of others is typical of psychologically abused children who in adulthood suffer the mrecurial, intense emotional ups and down that are sometimes diagnosed as "borderline personality disorder." Many such people are gifted in sensing what others around them are feeling, and it is quite common for them to report having suffered emotional abuse in childhood."
Perhaps part of the problem for BPD sufferrs in acknowledging they have a problem that they need to deal with, is a difficulty realising that where they see a blazing 3-D technicolor world of seething emotions the rest of humanity sees the world in a more muted 2-D tones. The problem of differing perception is equally shared by non-BPD suffers. They only see the extreme outward behaviour and fail to appreciate how the most trivial or inconsequential of words or facial expressions can cause the BPD sufferer to blow up.
Cause and effect – drop a glass of water and the carpet gets wet, drop a glass of nitro-glycerine and the whole room explodes. Same cause very different effect but most people aren't used to carry around glasses of nitro.

Carl DM May 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Hey there mr de Zilla I have read your posts you seem to know a lot about this. I think you have been through some rough stuff like I have too. I had some real badd stuff happen, my ex was attacking me, she didn't want me to see my friends she would freak out if i did not do what she wanted she would just blow up all the time for no reason. She was real messed up when she was a kid and I think this made her a mess now. There is just no hope for some people. They are just too far past helping and I don't think they want our help either. She just will not leave me alone, i don';t know what to do any more. No one seems to understand this mess i am in
some girls they try and use words and make it seem more complicated like it is your thing not their thing but the fact is they are just plain crazy

Robert May 15, 2011 at 9:15 am

"Rather than relying on cutting and pasting from the Wikipedia …"

Ouch, that was really rude and uncalled for. Dido just quoted the DSM criteria, and she's also right. I think you present some really interesting questions to ask, and there are a lot of tools out there (diagnostic checklists, etc) that are floating around the Internet. However, at the end of the day, a clinical diagnosis of BPD is made by a psychiatrist (with support from a psychologist, although not required), and they depend on the DSM criteria, not these checklists.
I think many of these books are good for pointing someone in the right direction, but shouldn't be relied on. The core of BPD diagnosis and management are the DSM criteria and appropriate diagnosis and management by a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist can also provide advice to friends and family of how to deal with BPD people in their life. While self-help is good, many of these books, such as the one you mention Godfrey, can be unreliable and used as a substitute for professional help, when can lead to more harm than good.
I think that's what Dido meant by returning to core principles.

Godfrey de Zilla May 16, 2011 at 2:46 pm

The hardest step for anyone with the symptoms of BPD get helping is accepting that they have a problem. I totally agree that diagnosis is best made by a professional. 
However Dido, literally was quoting from Wikipedia as though that makes her an expert. The book I have recommended is not some just some self-help guide, it is an excellent book written by experts. It combines both a sympathetic approach to sufferers (unlike many of the books out there) and is solidly routed in the scientific evidence. It also recommends getting expert help and has a thorough discussion of the merits of the different forms of treatment.
If you are in any doubt about having the condition (or are in denial) don't you think that the decision to seek expert help is better guided by reading a detailed, scientific and sympathetic good about the condition rather than relying on the Wikipedia ?
Robert – What would you recommend to friend who has the symptoms but is reluctant to seek help ?
Dido is an interesting name by the way
 
 
 

Jeff May 17, 2011 at 10:17 am

I agree with Robert. I don't think that Dido was 'quoting from the Wikipedia as though that makes her some kind of expert.' In a discussion where the initial post was based on wildly subjective and emotive (and ill-informed) criteria, she's just pointing out that we need to keep the original diagnostic criteria in mind. If we can't bring the DSM criteria, quoted from wikipedia or elsewhere, into a rational discussion of BPD, then we're not talking about BPD.
Godfrey, for all your talk of sympathetic approaches, you've also taken a very emotional and subjective stance elsewhere on this site where you've recommended 'getting out' and 'avoiding all contact'. These are not the actions of a sympathetic person towards a loved one.
As someone who has a close family member with BPD symptoms, I'd say these are two sure-fire ways of bringing out even stronger symptoms in that person, and no truly compassionate or caring person would behave in such a manner towards a loved one.

godfrey de zilla May 24, 2011 at 12:57 pm

<Sigh>
Jeff
I wish you the best of luck with your close family member. I hope they are getting the help they need from an experience professional.
As I said it good book (The Borderline Personality Disorder Survival Guide: Everything You Need to Know About Living with BPD by Alex Chapman and Kim Gratz )if you are a sufferer or non who wants a more in depth understanding of the condition. Far more informative and accurate than the wikipedia.
As many people have mentioned on this website, getting into a relationship with a sufferer is different from being born into a relationship with a sufferer or having a mutual bond that cannot be broken like having children. Forming a relationship with a sufferer does not imply a life time commitment. If the relationship makes the non-BPD party unhappy, if not the victim of severe psychological abuse they have every right to leave and pursue their own happiness. Or do you really believe that people lose all rights when they enter into a relationship with a sufferer ? 
Best Wishes

Godfrey

kira June 22, 2011 at 1:39 pm

I don't want to get into an argument here, but it seems to me like a lot of people here are making excuses for people with BPD. People with BPD hurt a lot of people around them. Everyone, as a matter of fact. It's really hard to defend them and as someone with ex'es with BPD, they are addictive too. Lots of the other guys and girls on this site have said that they have had multiple relationships with BPD people its easy to see why. They're pretty easy to fall in love with and then it all goes sour once theyve snared you in. For me it was like an addiction. I love how intense the relationships are but then they always turn out the same. It's like a game to them. They don't care about how they destroy someone's life if only they get that short rush out of it.

curious July 27, 2011 at 1:47 pm

Hi, can someone tell me, is the test on this page really a good indicator of whether someone has BPD in your opinion? I’m really curious to know. Quite a few things on this list match up to a few people I know. I’d like to hear from anyone who has some experience in this. How many of the items on the list have to apply? In your experience?

RJ December 8, 2011 at 10:08 pm

I’ve been researching BPD lately as my girlfriend of nearly three years and I recently broke up. I guess I’m trying to categorize her consistently bad behavior in an attempt to understand why we had so many problems. For sure, her past wasn’t completely in the past (two divorces, the second three years before i met her and she didn’t date until me)and to her own acknowledgement, she wasn’t ready to be enter a serious relationship, but went ahead anyway because we hit it off. Anyway, she could be highly critical, demanding, and intolerant of little happenstances. She could become very argumentative, defensive, and incapable of accepting fault and placed unrealistic standards on people in general. She would explain how she would do things in an attempt to train me to do things her way. She was at times interrogative, distrustful, as if looking for faults and/or deceptiveness. She was a neat freak too, obsessed with tasks, plus operated with a methodical manner, saw everything as black and white. She would often walk away in mid argument, grab her bags and leave my apartment. She would often times threaten to break up, and a few times she did. She could have tantrums, anger outbursts, and point the finger blaming. She blamed me for most of the problems in the relationship too. She had difficulty communicating effectively too and often times retreated to justifying and defending and use “tick for tack” methods. She would have times of sincere valuing of me, but then severe devaluing of me. She could contradict/deny my opinions and feelings. On the other hand she could be very generous, loving, kind, and giving. She could be very friendly, outgoing, and a lot of fun. But overall, her moods were inconsistent and results based. It was often very difficult to please her and it was difficult to use logic and reason in conflict resolution.

She hits on about 4 of the 9, so perhaps she would fall under the diagnosis radar, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have enough BPD for it to cause serious problems in close relationships. True, some of her problems came from being damaged from failed marriages and never receiving proper therapy and I believe this, along with her periodic rigid and harsh personality made her a nightmare to be with at times and made our relationship very volatile. With me, she had the ease of becoming impulsively angry (drop a french fry in her car and get slammed) cutting off communication and hence, cutting off emotionally.

Plagued- January 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm

…I have BPD. I have been diagnosed for over ten years.

While I agree that those suffering from BPD CAN be destructive.. Not all of us are.

…This article is.. frankly insulting. Sexual promiscuity or any of those symptoms aren’t only related to bpd.

To Kira. It isn’t right to lump all of any type of person together.. BPD is the same. It isn’t a game. This shit isn’t fun, it isn’t something we do to play. It’s impulses that are severely difficult to control. It’s intense self loathing. Fear of abandonment. I note that you’ve been burned by one. Most people that have been in a relationship with a BPD are often bitter and hostile toward the disease. But we are capable of healthy relationships. We aren’t soulless.. or hateful. We don’t take sheer unadulterated joy at the chaos…

..A lot of people with BPD need help. Are too hostile or unexplainably angry or despondent. But we’re still human.. We’re often wounded people. It isn’t an excuse.. but it’s oft’ times a fact. If you find yourself drawn to an abusive relationship most BPDs can bring.. take a look at yourself. No one’s healthy.

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